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Ouya
What the fuck happened? Not only the page was deleted, the history is gone! --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 03:56, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * History vanishes when a page/article is deleted. Isn't Ouya just Android in quirky hardware, anyways? --Mozai (talk) 04:21, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

The Ouya is essentially Android in console format so recommending games on Android devices would be recommending games on Ouya and vice-versa (with an exception of a few). In all honesty, while I don't really like the fact that the Ouya page was deleted, despite it being a mediocre console, it would just make sense to link people to the Android page for those who do have the Ouya. Haipayazoo (talk) 04:38, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

It does have a handful of exclusives, though. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 04:45, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Then I guess we'll just have to put it on the Android page as "Ouya exclusives" for people who were unfortunate enough to buy one. Haipayazoo (talk) 06:03, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Ouya is its own platform, with its own software market. It's like the Neo Geo and the Neo Geo CD: technically nearly the same, but separate platforms. So it must get its own page. Also, I don't have one, but I've seen some positive comments from people who actually have it. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 07:31, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

You make a good point. There are shitty consoles like the 3DO, Sega CD, and Sega Saturn (as a commercial failure), but we still recommend games for them. Why should we stop now on Ouya just because a couple of assholes think differenrly? It is /v/'s recommended "GAMES" after all. Haipayazoo (talk) 07:35, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Seconded. Ouya as a platform blows, but there are some games worthy of mentioning for the people who actually own one. The page needs to exist. --Kitsuneae (talk) 08:02, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Is there a way to restore the page now? --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 01:22, November 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * When a page is deleted by an admin it's wiped. It will need to be remade from scratch. Yes, it sucks. It always sucks when someone decides to give into trolls. I also tried the wayback machine - all wiki pages are blank due to archival errors. --Kitsuneae (talk) 04:31, November 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Started rebuilding it, but now I'll wait until I get my Android handheld so I can actually test the games rather than rely on others' reviews. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 20:26, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Finding a better solution for all
I've been noticing our wiki has been recently been posted on a number of threads lately, mostly /vr/, and some have been "ok" with the wiki while others think we're still Redditors in disguise. One of the anons mentioned a purge. It's not a horrible idea than it sounds. We could have a back up of the pages and then start a fresh. We can recommend the more obvious ones and the great gems and leave the rest to other /v/irgins and what not.

Maybe it is best to have a more open approach to editing the wiki. I've been undoing edits of people who have been deleting stuff for no valid reason, but I think perhaps it is for the best. Maybe we should just leave it up to their own devices and see if that gets them anywhere. If not, we need to have better inclusion/deletion regulations instead.

One anon mentions, perhaps we should strictly have it for obscure gems only. This would eliminate some of the most popular well known mainstream games every person already knows, since most of /v/'s hate is targeted towards anything mainstream.

I'm open to suggestions and feel free to knock down some of mine as well. Haipayazoo (talk) 06:35, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * People who hate anything mainstream for being mainstream... shit, are we going to cater to the hipsters of gaming? Fuck, no. Those people ARE the problem. The solution is to kick them out of here, not destroy the good source of information that this wiki is now. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 07:25, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Not so much hipsters, but just people who feel that recommending games that goes without saying (i.e. Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy) are not necessary. The problem with that is that popularity is relative as most people don't know some games that a lot of people consider well known like Planescape, Earthbound, or Suikoden. Where will it end? Like I said. The purge isn't as horrible as it sounds, but it's still isn't a great idea. Haipayazoo (talk) 07:39, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you two are both wrong and your ideas are fucking retarded. Leaving this place to its own devices did not work and we already tried that, since it just leads to constant editwars, shit-editing (this has become a thing and that's sad), and senseless labeling thus spawning further flaming about. A purge is a shitty idea because it's stupid to tear everything down then waste time making it just like we did before. On top of that, since a decent number of contributors can't format worth a shit, myself included, that's also more reason not to do it. Making the wikia solely mainstream games OR obscure games isn't the right way either, since it's sometimes difficult for somethings to be considered "obscure" or "mainstream" and why wouldn't you recommend a good game regardless of popularity or obscurity. If need be, make a thread about it, possibly linking youtube vids if its obscure, and see if anybody thinks it seems worth a damn, especially after playing it. Hell, just be on the look out for threads, even those in /vg/ and /vr/, since it's not always needed to make them. Someone made a 20+ reply thread about Evolution 1+2/Evolution worlds, discussing characters, mechanics, aspects of one game against another, etc. in a reasonable, thought-out manner. I didn't make it, but I was happy as fuck to see it, because 1) I love Evolution and 2) It lets me know that "hey, this game may not be super well-known but there's quite a few people who at least played it and got into it". meaning it wasn't a bad choice to submit it here to recommend it. Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't people who don't like it or even hate it, but they don't have to play it either. At the same time though, we have other people who also think that Bioshock: Infinite was good and that Halo 4 was also good. However, the additions of these to the wiki were met with almost unanimous negativity, but also with mostly-solid reasons given. I don't know much about both of them nor have I played either, but what I've understood from threads and discussion on is that they weren't worthy successors and shouldn't be recommended, despite what some of their die-hard fans or paid-off "professional" critics and/or reviewers might say. It really is an issue that cannot be solved by much discussion and analysis. I mean hell, there's games I like that I wouldn't recommend to people. Regarding system/console/version/etc. differences as well, that's something else to consider. Even for retro games it's a thing. Example: I'd consider the original Ys3 a solid game, but there's no way in hell I'd recommend the SNES or NES versions. Even for the TGCD version, despite it's rearranged music, I feel like its half-assed parallax scrolling is just gross to look at. And yet, there's people who would spit in my face and say that any version of Ys3 sucks and that Felghana is the ONLY way to go. Regarding a situation like that, I think it's necessary to consider them within potential mind-sets of their times. I think Felghana is "great" and an excellent remake, but I still feel like Ys3 is solid for its era, and while it may not hold a candle to Felghana, is still overall enjoyable as a "good" game.
 * I'll touch on this later. I'm falling asleep. --Dejiko (talk) 09:11, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Back to what I was saying. In terms of objective analysis versus opinionated favoritism, I think at best, most people are going to go for a sort of happy medium between the two. It IS difficult to find a sort of "happy medium" here, because that medium is in a different place for everybody. For example: Let's use something like Tales of Phantasia. I'd say it's got a "decent" story, but others might feel it's either "shitty" or "good" or hell, even the best/worst thing they've ever read. In terms of gameplay, mechanics, balance, and other aspects though, one needs to try to be more objective and analytical. For something like ToP, we already know it's not an action-centric game like Devil May Cry 3, despite having numerous attack skills and combos. It's not an RTS, so AI isn't going to be at the top of its game either. However, despite trying to compare it to those, does it manage to be a game worth recommendation in its own merit? One person alone can't properly decide that here. As a result, it is necessary to gather or at least observe the input of others (in this case /v/, or at least its g and r equivalents). Another big factor is time/system limitations as well, along with what developers were capable of doing with them. If one were to compare two side-scrolling platformers like Pac-Land (1984) versus Super Mario Bros. (1985), it's a huge difference in terms of level design, proper-feeling controls, length, etc. Yeah, Pac-Land came out first, but you pretty much won't see it recommended anywhere. Objectively speaking, it's not a BAD game, but most people would argue that it's not really worth playing outside of curiosity's sake. Meanwhile, you have SMB and that's pretty much a unanimously agreed upon recommendation, for obvious reasons. Even years later, well after Super Mario Bros. 3, you still see people recommend it. It's agreed upon that SMB3 pretty much kicks the shit out of SMB1, but at the same time, that didn't stop it from continuing to be recommended either, primarily because it stands up well against other games, but more specifically it's considered by many to be a well-done game within its own merits. You could do this with different series such as MegaMan or King of Fighters, and people would vehemently defend their favorite entries, even if a later game was said to be better. The same applies for various entries within genres themselves (as noted before) and also those released in the same year. Again, it's not easy. I mean, yeah, there were a bunch of people who considered Skyrim good or great, but also many who considered it a crock of shit. Some might have considered it their game of the year, but that doesn't really mean shit if the competition was awful to begin with. To be more specific on a GOTY/yearly end though, it also depends on what else somebody played as well. If they only played 3 games and Skyrim was what they considered the best out of that lot, then yeah, that's a "real fucking great" choice. If somebody played 20 different games of various genres and styles, and is a fairly alright judge amongst any genre, and they still also Skyrim their GOTY, then maybe they have more of a fair say about it, but at the same time, this is definitely where analysis comes into play, assuming it hasn't already. From an analytical perspective, Skyrim doesn't really stand up to its predecessors, and even if somebody has adamant opinions about it being good, it comes into question whether or not they actually looked at it with an analytical eye. Have they even played the other Elder Scrolls games? Have they even played other RPGs? These are things about someone that we cannot know at all without either asking or them telling. In the end, what I would like to suggest is: just because a game isn't up here, doesn't mean you can't like it; but, it doesn't mean you should put it up to rec either. On the flipside, just because it is up here, doesn't mean you have to like it, either; but, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken down either. Above all that though, The most important thing we need to make this place work is consensus. One person alone liking and one person alone hating something just leads to edit-wars. One person alone throwing something up or stripping it down lacks sturdy justification. If we need to show proof, use archived threads. "One" is not going to make anything work in this situation, nor will just any low number. On top of that, you can't properly analyze if you're just trolling and flaming all the time. That's fine if it's on /v/ or whatever else, but in this place it won't lead to anything but problems. We don't have to agree on everything, but we cannot judge with solely on one point-of-view. --Dejiko (talk) 21:29, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with you that objective analysis should play as a key factor on what games to include on the wiki, but that is something I strongly believe that /v/ is incapable of doing, or rather they strongly favor favoritism above all else. That what is attracting all these highly-opinionated users. They believe themselves to be representatives of /v/, so they take it upon themselves to edit whatever they please without any proper consensus. That is the conundrum of /v/. They are very divisive on their own interests, even when both sides hold any validity in their respective arguments. Things might get stagnant around here if we take an approach that takes to much time to gather any major conformity, especially when it comes to obscure gems (which I'm hoping to tackle next on the wiki). That being said though, it beats having one person shoving any biased notions onto the pages for the sake of self-righteousness. Haipayazoo (talk) 22:33, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

The trick is to find a way to poll the group (the mob? the riot?) while not viewing it through our lenses of personal taste. There's a trick in being an editor/moderator: how not to fall into the pit of "I like it, thus everyone else should like it too." There is no objectively "good" game, only what a specific audience enjoys. The only objectively bad games are the ones that crash and are thus unplayable -- even glitchtastic games aren't objectively bad, since some are hilarious to play like that Polish STALKER-alike. There are people, even people on /v/, who like playing Atari 2600's "E.T." and that game is literally landfill. This wiki's specific audience is the mongolian clusterfuck that is /v/. The riddle to solve is: how do we discover what /v/ enjoys? --Mozai (talk) 14:20, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

After a good night's sleep and thinking about it a bit more, those were some retarded ideas. Some of these ideas are from Anons that I picked up from threads that I'm just throwing out on the table in hopes that it would either be torn apart or given some thought. I don't want there to be a purge. Why should we just wipe away all everyone's hard work and work our asses off again just to please a couple anons? I've already explained why the obscure gems only plan was a bad idea. The sad truth is that they will never be pleased and there will always be someone who will take issue with the wiki. We can't satisfy everyone, let alone an enigmatic group that is /v/. One person, or a select minority, from /v/ could post an entry of a game that they like and give valid reasons why they think so, while the majority of /v/ hates it, even if they have valid reasons to think contrary. It's a riddle without an answer. If we post a game that even /v/ is divisive on, which is almost always, then what does that say for the entry of the game? Should we delete the entry if the ratio of like-to-dislike falls in favor with people who hate it? They never actually stated what the main problem our wiki has anyways. The only issues they mention are:


 * A) We've been under the influence by Reddit. Which is bullshit, except for that fucking link they Reddit refuses to pull down from their website.


 * B) A "couple" of entries that they take offense to that they blow out of proportion.

I guess from what I was thinking that we should find a solution that can satisfy them, but why do anything drastic just to please a select few (or rather the few that actually said anything)? This shouldn't be the site of "games that /v/ unanimously agrees upon" because that's impossible, and even if it was we'd be cutting years worth of work from a number of anons. I think the philosophy of just recommending games works, since it's what some of the people on /v/ personally recommend to others. I'm not saying we should have bad recommendations on this list either. There are just games that just need to be off the list so that no person should subject themselves to it, but there are going to be games that most of /v/ will not agree with that the rest think are actually worth playing. Perhaps there is no visible solution and what we've been doing thus far is the only acceptable approach. At least /vr/ thinks we're pretty cool guys, and that's honestly good enough for me. Haipayazoo (talk) 20:10, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Remove the Brony
Just remove the bronyfag seriously guys. I literally would not spam ever again if you just made the brony dude leave. He is like 99% of what's wrong with this wiki - he is Reddit incarnate. "Keep the ouya because muh games muh serious wiki muh reddit friends" -Lyricafag --Contributions/94.192.215.203

No dude. It's Recommended games. Does anybody recommend the ouya? Ever? No, thought not. Does anybody recommend Android? Who gives a shit take it to /g/ not /v/. I hope you guys will agree with me and block the bronyfag redditor from having anything more to do with this wiki and we can salvage what's left of the shit mess he's made of it -- 94.192.215.203

btw idk if it's me you think is using proxies or some shit but I'm not. if it's not me then it just shows how unpopular this place is! --94.192.215.203

Because vandalizing our wiki, which can be quickly undone, is REALLY gonna make us listen to you.

>It's Recommended games

You're right

We recommend games FOR the Ouya. We don't RECOMMEND the Ouya itself. The Ouya is a failure of a console in just about every way, but that's not the point. The page is to recommend games for the people who were unfortunate enough to get one. It's why we have pages on the 3DO, Sega CD, etc. since while they are inherently shitty consoles, there are games you can still play on them. Sorry that we don't cater to your needs.

From a fellow /v/irgin. Haipayazoo (talk) 20:31, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I kind give up on this wiki, sometimes people are too harsh on their edits and deletions. I mean yeah opinions but whatever. I cant even edit pages like PS3 anymore, when it used to be that only members could edit. Random people come in to make funneh meemee jokes. for example: "ECKSDEE PS3 NO GAMS TREE SIXTY TURN ROUND, WOAH MAC GAY PC MASUTR RACE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD LELELELE." Seriously, I know it was funny for like 2006 or something and all hurhurhur, but sorry, if you want to make the fanny maymay jokes, make them on your own wiki, shit here is about games. (Cloudman15 (talk) 20:37, October 29, 2013 (UTC))

Gee, I wonder who the vandal is talking about. It can't be me because I am NOT a redditor!--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 22:01, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

If terms mean you think I am said Vandal, no I'm not. I don't see any reason to vandalize nor would I ever because I see this place as a holy archive of good shit or whatever, and I don't see any reason to muck it up by deleting a bunch of game pages out of spite, iregardless if the system sucks or if its not important, there must be a page concerning it due to the chance there might be good games out for it, (Ouya) we cover this shit for a reason, the games. But im indifferent to this topic because im not of good judgement for debates. (Cloudman15 (talk) 18:58, October 30, 2013 (UTC))

As for the Ouya, I partially agree with Haipa, but I also deleted it in the first place, partially because it only had a few games which damn near anybody could play via superior means, hadn't been edited much, and is literally just a fancy sort of extension of the android, much in the same way that surface tablet shit is for Windows 8 and we wouldn't necessarily make a separate page for that as far as I know. And he can go fuck himself, because the Sega CD and 3DO weren't shitty. However, I still appreciate his efforts in maintaining and adding stuff to the wiki. Different fucking strokes.

"I literally would not spam ever again if you just made the brony dude leave." Yeah, that's a crock of lies right there and you know it. Even if you spin your reply as something like "bawww see you guys never listen to anybody" why the fuck should I or anybody here care what you have to say after spamming and shitting things up? You're anonymous, just barely different from me, save for people can call me Matt now thanks to my fucking twitter and steam (not like I give that big a shit). This goes out to any of the spammers and anonymous posters. Nobody knows who I am or what I do. Same with you. The only difference between us that matters is our edit history. While any of you have shit things up (regardless of a different IP or not), there are people who actually bothered to contribute to this place. People who actually made their first-day-debuts to actually contribute something of worth, instead of some self-declared anarchic "crusade" for self-righteous reasons. Those people mean more to me than any of the spammers and vandals ever will for those reasons alone. Honestly speaking, I don't even care about anything past that, so long as you don't shit up the wiki with stuff that's irrelevant. Lyric's a ponyfag? Well, good for him, I guess. I didn't even know until somebody brought it up, because I don't give a damn. He hasn't made this place MLP-themed, or scattered about MLP stuff in pages, so I don't give a shit what he likes in his own time as long as he doesn't start tossing it about here. He's done a decent job with editing and contributing for the most part, and that's what really matters here. I'm fucking pissed with him about taking down the NES screenshots much to NESfag's and my own annoyance, but for the most part, he's done decently. Let me say this: while wikia may care, I personally don't give a fuck if you're a pokefag, normalfag, furfag, hipster, cross-dresser, NTR-lover, fashionista, /m/echa fetishist, like transforming, listen to pop music, get rock-hard from S&M, or whatever the fuck you do in your spare time. Just contribute actual video game stuff worth an actual fuck, and don't bring up your personal life here, because this isn't the goddamn place for that. We're all just nobodies on the internet and this wiki, and it needs to stay that way. I'm sure a number of both the spammers and anonymous contributors are into all sorts of fetishes and kinky stuff, but that's their own problems, not the wiki's, not mine, and, all things considered, not anybody else's either.

Lyric does need to work on his short fuse though. It ain't helping his situation. --Dejiko (talk) 22:08, October 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Argh, stupid name... my name was "Stormwatch" in LyricWiki, and it got changed automatically when they merged into Wikia and the name wasn't available. And about the NES screenshots, the point was making the pages lighter. Mind you, I made the suggestion and waited for THREE MONTHS, and no one said a thing! --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 22:18, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Calm down, Lyric. I've only recently came alive back into this wiki and would have gladly told you NOT to do that. Removing something is not the same as adding something. You are removing someone's hard work when you're doing that, making NESfag's time completely wasted.

No response != Approval.

As for Dejiko. I meant to say Phillips CD-i instead of 3DO, even though I still don't particularly prefer the 3DO either. The Sega-CD was a bit of a hyperbole. How can I live without playing Snatcher, Vay, Rise of the Dragon, Lunar series, Popful Mail, Flashback, Shining Force, and YES, even Night Trap? It only sprang to mind from the experiences I had with it, due to its price during its time, freezing, awful load times, and sometimes the CD would just not read. If you emulate it it's a fine damn system with many good games, but strictly during its time, its was a difficult piece of hardware to like, or least it was for me.

Back on point, /v/ is near synonymous with anonymity exception of a few (us). The only page that comes close to fetishes is the hentai page, although that's pure conjecture on my part considering I stay away from that page. Everything else is about video games that is actually worth playing that has been contributed by anonymous people, including us. That's all I have to say for now. Haipayazoo (talk) 23:06, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Solution to Shitty Vidya Problem
Why don't you just put a straw poll link in the description of each "shitty" game and check it a month later to see the results, and if the majority wants it gone, delete it? Simple. If nobody bothers to vote on anything then clearly they aren't using the wiki to begin with. Hypoxium (talk) 03:41, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea, but it would need some changing around. Technically speaking, should be keep this as "/v/'s wiki" (versus changing it up), then polls would best be done in threads, perhaps with multiple polls at a time per OP post. If we keep them here, then the issue lies in with other sites' input as well, which is technically an issue if it is, if only primarily, "/v/'s wiki". Strawpoll seems simple enough to run. I'll definitely put some effort into it after I'm done with my initial run of threads. --Dejiko (talk) 07:14, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, polls are fine. Maybe just do them once a year or so to keep the lists current? Honestly, I think we're doing fine on the game lists in general. We had no complaints until that stupid reddit link. --Kitsuneae (talk) 07:55, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like fun, we can see what people want in real time and whatnot, which is always a good thing. (Cloudman15 (talk) 18:59, October 30, 2013 (UTC))

Removing the Redditor
So we're all agreed then? Lyrical Stormfag is going to be blocked from editing the wiki? Sounds good to me. Just let me know when he's been removed :) Also top lol @ debating anonymity and especially on /v/. Who even remembers nigba anymore.....................................................................

oh also I would stop spamming, I just can't take some angry af brony (yurotrash? he acts like one anyway) shitting up the /v/ wiki. i know it's a lost cause and foreverial the reddit wiki, but just knowing he lost his stranglehold would change everything... *glances wistfully into the sunset, eyes tearing up* -- 188.221.238.59


 * The next schoolyard bully could be SA goons, or le 9gag army, threatening to do the same unless we abide by their wishes. Bad idea. --Mozai (talk) 02:37, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Genres
So I noticed that this wiki has a problem with genres. Can we please decide on the genres on stick with them? For example the PS3 and Xbox 360 both use jRPG and wRPG (which aren't even actual genres) where as the other sections sections don't. Mozendo (talk) 08:46, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Also not sure if this happens in other sections, but what's the point of putting 'fan-genres' like metroidvania if we're not going to apply them to all the games that fit the description (example: GBA section. CastleVania listed as Metroidvania, but the Metroid titles are not. )


 * I think "metroidvania" is just a nickname for action-adventure, a subgenre of platformer. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 20:22, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

We do have a page for defining video game genres, but I expect people wouldn't bother reading it before describing such-and-such game as being a 'romance platformer' or 'first-person text adventure'. If you see an jarring mis-label of a game's genre, fix it. --Mozai (talk) 23:17, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

So it's okay to rename the jRPG and wRPG listed games on the PS3 and Xbox 360 pages to just RPG so they can match with the other platform pages? Mozendo (talk) 08:46, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Article renaming
So, how about this idea: renaming the articles to include the systems' full names, including maker. For example: instead of simply "Xbox 360", it would be "Microsoft Xbox 360". How does it sound? --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 23:47, November 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * What's the problem you're trying to solve? How would the games list for a "Microsoft Xbox360" be different from the games list for a "Coleco Xbox360" or a "Lenovo Xbox360" ?  If you truly feel that someone is going to type the manufacturer name and model name into the address bar, and be inconsolable when they don't find an article, you can make redirect articles to guide them. --Mozai (talk) 23:12, November 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * A friend suggested this style would be more informative. And it sounds more formal, I quite like that. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 04:44, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Just rename it to shitbox 360 because it's shit and dead.

Did your friend also suggest you remove the screenshots from the NES page? Either way, tell your friend that they are an idiot. Also, as for actually having the companies listed, that's on the front page. Mozai brings up a good point. there's no actual problem and making some redirects is pointless because nobody's going to search for them like that except for people who are picky as hell (in which case, they probably wouldn't use this place anyways, and prefer threads or IGN's top 10 durr games of the hurr or any other commonplace lists). As for formality, there's definitely some sense of structure, along with a few rules to be upheld here, but if you think this place has a need for such frivolous trivialities, you're in the wrong wiki and so is your friend, apparently. --Dejiko (talk) 02:57, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Super Nintendo/Super Famicom Lifespan Error
As I mentioned in the Super Nintendo talk page, the date range for the lifespan of the SNES/Super Famicom is incorrect.

The last officially licensed Super Nintendo/Super Famicom game worldwide was in November 2000. I recommend it be updated.

50.179.161.35 12:52, December 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * 1999 is the year the console itself was discontinued in the US. I suppose that's what counts. -- LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 05:51, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Needs some updatin'
The PS4 and Xbone are already out, but they're still listed as upcoming. Gotta change that. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 12:08, December 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also removing 'recently discontinued' that are five years or more older:

-- Mozai (talk) 15:39, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * DS: 2007.
 * Gamecube:2007.
 * Dreamcast: 2001.
 * GBA: 2008.
 * Xbox: 2008.


 * The numbers for the Nintendo DS are wrong. Only the original model was discontinued in 2007. The DS Lite was produced until 2011, and it seems they have only discontinued the DSi/XL in Japan on early 2013. In fact, they still sell it in the US&A. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 21:52, December 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Shakes fist at Wikipedia. "I trusted you!" Yeah DSi and DSi XL are still being manufactured. --Mozai (talk) 00:25, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Now we have to get rid of the flamey junk and add some actual content. I can't help much because I have neither of the new machines, but I put placeholder tables in their pages. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 08:25, January 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * "flamey junk" this is /v/, distinguishing shitposting from emotionally-charged sober thought is an NP-hard problem. "actual content" is something Dejiko is working on quietly to avoid strategic voting, and accuracy takes time. --Mozai (talk) 15:11, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Another idea, how about breaking the "Current consoles/handhelds" column into two rows. Also, put it in proper alphabetic order:


 * Current consoles
 * Microsoft Xbox 360
 * Microsoft Xbox One
 * Nintendo Wii U
 * Sony PlayStation 3
 * Sony PlayStation 4
 * Current handhelds
 * Nintendo 3DS
 * Nintendo DS
 * Sony PlayStation Portable
 * Sony PlayStation Vita

--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 08:40, January 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Done. Played it loose with the alphabetic sorting so that more recent releases are closer to the top.  Not sure about the simple grid layout, may tweak that later, along with adding the more obscure but current gaming hardware.  I'll tinker on that elsewhere, probably. --Mozai (talk) 15:11, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't PSP be retired? DS doesn't have games coming out for it anymore either unless we're just going by what's still being manufactured, but if we do that I thought Wii Minis were still being produced. IMO it should just be 3DS + Vita at this point. Hypoxium (talk) 21:35, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Impasse: merging art/title columns?
There seems to be an edit conflict at the arcade games page: Kitsuneae has merged the art and title columns, positing that it saves screen space, no one sorts columns by image, and is more readable. I vehemently oppose this change because it looks uglier, actually far less readable, and is inconsistent with pretty much EVERY other page in this wiki. -- LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 02:34, January 14, 2014 (UTC)