Talk:V/'s Recommended Games Wiki

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Older Discussion
As this wiki gets on in years, this page gets uncomfortably big with old conversations. They've been moved to sub-pages.
 * Talk:/v/'s Recommended Games Wiki/2009
 * Talk:/v/'s Recommended Games Wiki/2010
 * Talk:/v/'s Recommended Games Wiki/2011
 * Talk:/v/'s Recommended Games Wiki/2012
 * Talk:/v/'s Recommended Games Wiki/2013
 * Talk:/v/'s Recommended Games Wiki/2014

More Hardware

 * [[File:Amstad CPC icon.png]] Amstrad CPC - computer - 1984 - 1990
 * [[File:Apple I board.png]] Apple I - computer - 1976 - 1977
 * [[File:Apple III icon.png]] Apple III - computer - 1980 - 1984
 * [[File:Apple Lisa icon.png]] Apple Lisa - computer - 1983 - 1986
 * [[File:Bandai Playdia icon.png]] Bandai Playdia - console - 1994 - 1996
 * [[File:Casio PV-1000 icon.png]]Casio PV-1000 - computer - 1983 - 1983
 * [[File:Casio Loopy icon.png]] Casio Loopy - console - 1995 - 1997
 * [[File:Coleco Telstar icon.png]] Coleco Telstar - console - 1976 - 1978
 * [[File:Commodore Amiga CD32 icon.png]] Commodore Amiga CD32 - console - 1993 - 1994
 * [[File:Epoch Cassette Vision icon.png]] Epoch Cassette Vision - console - 1981 - 1983
 * [[File:Epoch Super Cassette Vision icon.png]] Epoch Super Cassette Vision - console - 1984 - 1986
 * [[File:Magnavox Odyssey icon.png]] Magnavox Odyssey - console - 1972 - 1975
 * [[File:Milton Bradley Microvision icon.png]] Milton Bradley Microvision - handheld - 1979 - 1981
 * [[File:PC-88 icon.png]] NEC PC-88 - computer - 1981 - 1989
 * [[File:Nintendo Game and Watch icon.png]] Nintendo Game &amp; Watch - handheld - 1980 - 1991
 * [[File:WonderWitch icon.png]] Qute WonderWitch - add-on - 2000 - 2004
 * [[File:Studio II icon.png]] RCA Studio II - console - 1977 - 1979
 * [[File:ZX Spectrum icon.png]] Sinclair ZX Spectrum - computer - 1982 - 1992
 * [[File:VideoBrain icon.png]] Umtech VideoBrain Family Computer - computer - 1977 - 1980

- Welcome to your doom! 18:27, December 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't know about the Odyssey and the Telstar... there were so many of those pong-clones back then that we'll end up with tons of pages for near-identical machines. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 05:30, January 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, those two are only first generation consoles worth talking about. Welcome to your doom! 21:57, January 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * What about Nintendo's Color TV-Game series, then? I'd say they are historically relevant too, since they sold more than the Telstar. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 02:22, January 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, definitely. I'd also like to have articles on the Cassete Vision and Studio II from second generation and the Cougar Boy and R-Zone portables. Welcome to your doom! 16:27, January 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Want to add anything from this gallery? --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 15:51, January 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * The Emerson Arcadia and JVC Wondermega are good candidates. Welcome to your doom! 18:13, January 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * No, the Wondermega absolutely does not qualify. It is just a Mega Drive + Mega CD put together. It has no games of its own. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 01:08, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, you right, that article didn't clarify this, it made it seem like it was a standalone console. Speaking of which, check this database on Old-Computers.com. Welcome to your doom! 01:37, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

I'm wondering if the front page will ever be updated with these... Welcome to your doom! 04:24, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * nyo-ho-ho. One problem: you wanted an NEC PC-98 entry added, but one is already there, linking to the same wiki page, but with different start/end dates for the console. I left the existing NEC PC-88 entry on the front page. --Mozai (talk) 00:08, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Mozai! I wanted to do more articles, but was waiting for the front page to get updated. Welcome to your doom! 02:01, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Oh yeah, you didn't add the PC-88 to the front page. Welcome to your doom! 02:07, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Some necessary updates:


 * Samsung bada - 2010 - 2014
 * Jolla Sailfish - 2013 - current
 * Mozilla Firefox OS - 2013 - current
 * Tizen - 2015 - current

Also, the icon for Blackberry in the top list is the wrong size. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 04:04, February 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * [[File:Atari 5200 icon.png]] Atari 5200 - console - 1982 - 1984
 * [[File:Atari 7800 icon.png]] Atari 7800 - console - 1986 - 1992

Welcome to your doom! 04:23, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

I thought the top list was for the most popular systems, not all the current ones. Also, there's two errors in the history list: the Atari Jaguar link goes through a redirect before getting to the correct page, and the icon for the Java games is the Java logo, not the proper icon used in the top list. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 08:58, February 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * How do we measure "most popular"? Aside from "duh, its obvious." I'd like a defence when someone screeches about how the Ouya, or Playstation 3, or the WiiU doesn't belong there. --Mozai (talk) 15:15, February 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Damn, I was going to say "duh, it's obvious", but found it's tricky indeed: Net Applications says now-defunct Symbian still has a bigger installed base than Windows Phone and Blackberry, but Tomi Ahonen counts Symbian as trailing behind them at this point.--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 21:51, February 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think the Nintendo DS should be moved to the discontinued section. And why wasn't the PC-88 added to the front page yet? Welcome to your doom! 23:06, February 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Are DS units and carts still being sold? and PC-88 was missing because I kept reading it at PC-98. Clearly I need to git gud. --Mozai (talk) 23:41, February 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, it isn't being fabricated anymore and Nintendo has since shut down all wi-fi services, so it is safe to assume it is officially discontinued. Welcome to your doom! 00:33, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * [[File:Emerson Arcadia 2001 icon.png]] Emerson Arcadia 2001 - console - 1982 - 1983

Welcome to your doom! 04:19, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * [[File:Entex Adventure Vision icon.png]] Entex Adventure Vision - console - 1982 - 1982

--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 17:29, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

I did it, guys. I hit the bottom of the barrel:


 * [[File:R-Zone icon.png]] Tiger R-Zone - handheld - 1995 - 1997

--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 00:38, May 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * [[File:Vtech Socrates icon.png]] Vtech Socrates - console - 1988 - 1990 (I'm not sure about this date)
 * [[File:Commodore CDTV icon.png]] Commodore CDTV - console - 1991 - 1993
 * [[File:Watara Supervision icon.png]] Watara Supervision - handheld - 1992 - 1993

Welcome to your doom! 15:51, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

It would be cool to have actual icons for some of the systems that have their logos as icons (Archimedes, BBC Micro, Commodore 64, Amiga, HyperScan, CD-i, LaserActive, X68000 and Nuon). Welcome to your doom! 00:40, May 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * I could fix those icons, but as the front page is edit-protected "cascading" on, I can't upload the new icons to replace the old ones. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 22:28, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Another day, another shitty system: --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 20:52, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * [[File:Tiger Telematics Gizmondo icon.png]] Tiger Telematics Gizmondo - handheld - 2005 - 2006

Uh, won't you guys add those three consoles up there (Socrates, CDTV and Supervision)? Welcome to your doom! 14:32, August 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Should be good now. - MFGreth 14:22, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

What we really need now...
We need people who own current-gen consoles, to judge and recommend their games. (I don't, I'm mostly a PC gamer these days.) --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 16:21, January 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * What we need is some objective way of polling /v/, /vg/ and /vr/. And I don't mean strawpoll. Something that is both useful, and reproducible, so we can show our work when the next wave of "you're secret traitors trying to ruin our culture" accusations comes in. But how to distil thoughtful evaluation out of the screaming bedlam that is /v/? The mind boggles, but it would be a godlike triumph. Part of the problem is that /v/ is not a hivemind, and we fight amongst themselves as often as not. (see: The battle of bounce-house vs. inflatable castle) --Mozai (talk) 00:27, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Protip?
I think this line should be removed from the front page, I don't see a reason for it to be there. Welcome to your doom! 23:08, February 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd leave it there. Everything looks wrong with the default Wikia theme. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 01:58, February 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything wrong. Welcome to your doom! 02:40, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Indie Kings freeware list
Anyone notice that Indie Kings site pretty much rips the freeware games page from this site? Link: http://www.indiekings.com/p/freeware-games.html

Ahahaha oh wow, it's really blatant as hell. They even left ol' "Female High School Student VS Space Pirate Corps (roughly translated)" on there and I don't even know where to play that anymore. On the one hand, it's kind of flattering that people are willing to steal from the wiki, especially since /v/ has hated it ever since those bullshit "run by reddit" rumors started. On the other, despite that they're not giving credit, they're not hurting anybody either. At the very least, the games are getting some additional public-awareness, so I don't see any need to give half a shit, much less a whole one.

tl;dr: Yes, they are. Not worth caring about.

--Stevereeve (talk) 00:53, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Fuck the visual editor
The goddamn visual editor only fucks up the tables, can't you disable that piece of shit for all users? --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 06:16, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Satellaview and Disk System do not need their own pages.
The split between the Satellaview and the SNES, and the NES and Disk System is a waste of space and unecessary. I'm going to re-merge them and put a redirect to their 'point on page' unless someone gives me a valid reason not to do that. - MFGreth 00:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's been long accepted here that add-ons have their own pages. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 01:43, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I think have too many console pages. Yes, it's nice to list every system known to man, but too many pages has lead to a lack of content on many links. If something is an add-on for a console and the list isn't too big, I don't see why it shouldn't be on the main console's page. For example, NES/Disk system should be one page with the disk system being it's own section on NES with the SNES/Satellaview being set up the same way. Things can always be re-split of the page ends up too big to handle. --Kitsuneae (talk) 04:47, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Following your reasoning, I would immediately re-split the NES and SNES pages, because they already are among the longest lists around here. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 05:07, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, then perhaps split Famicom off from NES? After all, the NES page is big enough already and the two aren't compatible with each other even if they are very similar. From there put the Disk system stuff in with the Famicom as the Disk system only works with the famicom. From there the NES and Famicom pages can crosslink to each other. The same thing could be done with Super Famicom and Satellaview.


 * Either way, I feel that add-ons really should be on their mother console pages just to kill some of the link overload and collect content so it's easier to find and enjoy. --Kitsuneae (talk) 05:31, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * The idea crossed my mind, but then I put it aside: the Famicom and the NES are essentially the same system (in spite of the region lock), while the Famicom Disk System is its own thing. If I'm looking for FDS recommendations, I would rather have a list just for those, not mixed together with NES games. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 06:14, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not against the link being on the front page, but it should go on the same page as the console it's an add-on for. you CAN make links and redirects to specific parts of Wikia pages. - MFGreth 15:11, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * -- Addenum: The reason I'm adamant they should be on the same page is because of how people generally tend to view these wikis. No one who doesn't know what the Satellaview is is going to look that page up, at least not most people. But if they're ont he SNES page and feeling adventurous on trying new stuff they might see it, read about it, and then say, "Hey, that Mario Excitebike game actually looks like fun! Let me see if I can get a ROM." If it hadn't been in the same space as the base console, that would never happen. - MFGreth 15:17, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Seconding Greth's observation on how people tend to view wikis. People like familiar things and will click familiar-sounding pages before they will click unfamiliar ones. Yes, this means the NES page will get more hits than "famicom" will and that "Famicom" will get more hits than "Disk system". The other thing that people really like is page balance. As much as people like familiarity, they don't like reading a novel (ex: current NES page) or a short list (ex: Disk System page) when they hit a wiki. Redirects, clever linking and page merges/splits all can help. Yes, a lot of it is subjective, but keeping a balance between page size and name familiarity will help people enjoy the wiki more. --Kitsuneae (talk) 21:07, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

May I speak bluntly? That was a FUCKING RETARDED change that only makes the wiki worse. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 23:21, June 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * How is it worse? The links on the front page are still there and take you directly to the list for the add-on if you want to see that directly. It's just now easier to find content for add-ons for systems you are interested in. There is pretty much zero comsmetic change to the front page.


 * The only part I'd change further is splitting famicom and it's addon away from NES and super famicom and it's add-on away from SNES as both are big enough to be their own pages. Besides, there are differences between famicom and NES that set it appart, in my opinion. For example, famicom has a microphone, NES doesn't. Famicom has add-ons, NES doesn't. NES games do not work on Famicom and vice versa. Just my opinion, though. --Kitsuneae (talk) 23:54, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

Can I butt in? I have a suggestions that would please everybody: Make the pages into sub-pages, then add a parent tab template on the top of the pages. Here's the template in question: Template:Parent Tab Template. And here's an example page with it: Arcade games. Welcome to your doom! 16:33, June 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * That' an excellent idea actually. It'll mean having to rework the redirects, but that shouldn't take too long. I'll get on that as soon as I've had some coffee. - MFGreth 10:25, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool. I was also considering doing the same with consoles with CD add-ons, namely the Mega Drive, TurboGrafx-16 and Jaguar. Welcome to your doom! 18:17, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * I made most of the moving already, now would be just up to you to fix the redirects. Welcome to your doom! 18:54, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * All the redirects should be fixed now. If not, give it a little time. - MFGreth 15:25, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Eh, good enough. *shrugs* --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 04:09, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

Bye bye Ouya
Looks like Ouya is going the way of the dodo: Razer has acquired their store and team. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 18:56, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, Wikipedia lists it as discontinued now.


 * I'm updating the main page to reflect this. - MFGreth 19:54, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

The future of Micro consoles
Due to the prevalence of (primarily) Android based micro-consoles, such as the NVIDIA Shield and Razer Edge, I'm wondering if they should be included in the wiki, or excluded. The Ouya was a special in catch fire sort of case, not necessarily due to popularity (/v/---as well as myself personally-- had an intense dislike of it) but because there was promise of original content coming to the console-- which was true, for a time. Those games have obviously been ported to other services since. So I guess my argument lies in this---

Do we NOT include these consoles even though their content will likely only consist of Android ports and have Google Play access?

Or do we include them because they will have their own specific services/game lists, and we include good games regardless of where they show up? (There are multiple instances of the same game being on more than one page)

-MFGreth 15:52, August 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * I had bought into the Ouya hype back then, but the other micro-consoles don't seem to have the same kind of "catch fire", as you put it. Everything they get is also on Google's Play Store. So, nope, at least for now, it makes little sense to include them. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 07:23, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

New guide

 * Pinball Games. I'll see if I can find a icon. Welcome to your doom! 13:29, November 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * How about this game's icon? It has everything - ball, flipper, bumper. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 08:24, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * That Icon is OK, but it's pretty busy so it might not shrink down well. Maybe one of these is better? Black and White Simple, Vector Table, Ball and Paddle (will need to be edited to have clear background).--Kitsuneae (talk) 10:07, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, I thought you meant as the illustration on the top of the page itself, not the icon for the main page. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 15:09, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Something like the icon from Pinball 3D Space Cadet would suffice. Welcome to your doom! 16:56, December 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Here: [[File:Pinball_Icon.png]] Welcome to your doom! 00:22, December 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * But icons for the main page are supposed to be 32x32.I'll draw something later this week. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 05:50, December 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Updated the icon. Welcome to your doom! 22:39, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

An icon for the "Japanese RPGs" page: v1, v2. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 00:45, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Split
The Freeware Games page was humongous, so I went and sliced it, in the same style as the Arcade games list. How's that? --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 03:20, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

More systems to add
Supervision's poor cousins... I mean, even poorer cousins:


 * [[File:Game Master icon.png]] Hartung Game Master - handheld - 1990 - 1992
 * [[File:Mega Duck icon.png]] Welback Mega Duck - handheld - 1993 - 1994

--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 05:49, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

And some historically relevant machines:


 * [[File:Commodore PET icon.png]] Commodore PET - computer - 1977 - 1982
 * [[File:Commodore VIC 20 icon.png]] Commodore VIC-20 - computer - 1980 - 1985

--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 02:47, February 24, 2016 (UTC)