These are comments about the front page or the wiki in general made during 2013.
For recent comments, see Talk:/v/'s Recommended Games Wiki
Manime Section Edit
Now I know this a games wiki, so your natural reflex is going to be to scream no, but I think we should extend the scope of this wiki just a little bit. Everybody knows that /v/ has completely different tastes in anime than /a/ does. Basically /v/ likes manime. Manly anime. I don't think it would do any harm and it could be kind of fun if we had a manime page. Thoughts?
Handheld versus mobile Edit
I was adding some platforms to the "history of game machines" list, when I realized: it's not right to list smartphone platforms like Android and iOS as "handheld", as the word implies a portable system fully dedicated to games. So I relisted them as "mobile".--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 09:45, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
Style harmonization Edit
Is there an automated way to redo the tables? I want to make them all similar to the Dreamcast list: cover pic, title, genre, description. No screenshots or similar cruft (except for the PC page, where the year and store columns are useful). Redoing all that shit by hand would be a fuckton of work. -- LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 08:02, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
Vandalism problems Edit
Suggestion: split the PC section further Edit
I think it'd make sense to separate the PC section further, as the "older games" page is getting really long. I'd suggest:
- MS-DOS games
- early Windows games (pre-95)
- 95 era (1995 to 2000)
- XP era (2001 to 2006)
- Longhorn era (2007 to 2011)
- 8 era (2012 to now)
I am a little unsure about the last one, though: a "modern Windows era", from 07 to now, would make sense, as no one is moving to Windows 8 anyway. But splitting that would help keep the pages reasonably short. What do you think? --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 03:10, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I personally think it's a pretty good idea. 11 years is a pretty big bracket and it's pretty content-filled as well. If you want to do it, go right ahead. Otherwise, I'll do it myself tomorrow. I can vouch for you if nothing more. --Dejiko (talk) 07:46, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
- Ideas for how to call the "Vista/7" era? Longhorn was Vista's codename, but people won't recognize it; I could call it Vista, but people hated that; and I could call it 7, but it didn't really start with it. Also, I think the troubleshooting section should get its own page.--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 00:20, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think it'd hurt if you split it up even more, making both a "Vista era" and a "7 era", so they'd be ~3 years each, seeing how some major progress has been made at a fast rate the last few years when it comes to game engines, not to mention fact that almost half the current list is '07-'08 (what would then be the "Vista era"), and the other half is '09-'11 (which would be "7 era"). --Zgd (talk) 12:25, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
PCs aren't tablets Edit
I think it's goofy that PC games are mixed in with tablets and mobile devices on the front page. All the lists for Windows, Apple computers, Linux, etc should be grouped together as PC games. Mac computer games and Linux games should be added to the PC page as well because the only thing linked on the PC page is Windows games.
- That's exactly what "PC" came to mean: DOS & Windows. It's not strictly correct, but that's how it's been understood for a long time now. What else can we do, rename it "Wintel"? Anyway, that's what the PC page is for; Mac and Linux have their own pages and should not be mixed with the PC page. -- LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 07:15, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
Vandalism galore Edit
There's too much vandalism going on. Some unregistered assholes are going around doing nothing but removing others' recommendations without justification. There's even a dolt trying to kill the Ouya page altogether. I must suggest a radical solution: only registered users can be allowed to edit anything. -- LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 00:53, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
- I guess that would be great to prevent pointless edits and all, but I can already hear the deranged anon outcries just thinking about it. Jukse (talk) 19:37, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
- With all the back and forth on the PS4 page (and I mean at least daily someone will go LEL NO GAMES LOOK AT ME I'M SO FUNNY) that's more than worth it. We gotta get this stuff under control. Parabox (talk) 12:32, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
- We could use more dedicated moderators. It's irritating that I have to undo each edit individually when someone could just use rollback. I've been watching over a few of the sections for quite awhile and it feels really inactive. Hypoxium (talk) 19:48, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
- And now the fucker is vandalizing the front page!--LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 05:11, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
- Hey asshat, what don't you understand about /v/ DOESN'T LIKE THE OUYA. NOT A SINGLE PERSON ON THERE. If /v/ doesn't like the OUYA, then anyone with common sense would know that /v/ also doesn't recommend any of its games. Once again, it's not vandalism if /v/ doesn't actually recommend it. Kinda sad how this entire wiki has gone to shit by people like you. Get out you crying brony faggot. -Gaboya
- You really don't get what this wiki is for, do you? See, when someone says: "Recommend me some good games for System XYZ plz kthx", the proper answer is: "These are some good games for System XYZ". Or the easy modo: send him here and he will find a list of good games for System XYZ. The wrong answer is: "No, System XYZ sux, have a list of games for System ABC instead!". Which is what you are trying to do. -- LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 06:40, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
- "If you can't be open-minded you shouldn't even be contributing here" - spoken like a true Redditor. top fucking lellers, no surprises that this wiki is dead and nobody ever links it or recommends it. oh and look at the front page "/v/'s biggest contributor is Anonymous," - except when the circlejerk doesn't approve then the only contributors are people who agree with the Reddit status quo. top fucking lel -``anonymous
- Never gone to Reddit, don't give a fuck. The wiki looks like shit when nobody does anything to help, there are sections that haven't been updated in ages, and it's not because of Reddit. If you think a game or something is shit then bring it up on a discussion page so that other people from /v/ can agree on how garbage it is. That's how it should work here. Hypoxium (talk) 17:43, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
- >top fucking lel
- -- 18.104.22.168
- It's because of faggots like you that /v/ is such a cancer itself. Funny enough, people on /v/ DO link to this page. When some asks "Where can I find good games for this console?" there are people who direct them towards this site. Take your autism back to /b/ and shoot yourself. 22.214.171.124 03:13, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
- Then why the fuck is it that we anons have such little power in actual contribution?
- The difference in opinions is unsurprising, but that's the way /v/ is and if someone's going to smack themselves on the head and say "WHAT? /v/ HATES VIDEO GAMES?" then you're the asshat. Nobody will agree on very much at all here, but there could at least be a better system on determining what goes where. On a side note I found Megaman 8 Bit Deathmatch here, so it's not like I don't use the site, I just think that more power should remain on the anonymous side of the house.
- 126.96.36.199 21:51, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
- It's a balancing act, favouring the anonymous contributions but not entirely given over to them. There were efforts to turn this place into a smoking crater, and there will be more attempts in the future. Too many safety measures, and the wiki admins are accused of tyranny. Too few safety measures, and the wiki admins are accused of neglect. Anything that one anonymous disagrees with, and the entire body of contributors is accused of corruption by an enemy tribe (and it really only takes one anonymous to sockpuppet a groundswell of support). How to permit anonymous contributions without permitting destructive or malevolent behaviour? Question for the ages.
Windows 8 surface? Edit
Can we get a list for this monster? it's like android with both less and more games. -- 188.8.131.52
Maybe a new page but mostly a copy/paste, with slight updates, of pc xbox 360 and android as those seem to be the games the surface supports at random. Truth be told it's a fairly terrible machine but people seem to like it. Not sure if the windows phone is the same or simular in the game running field. I know oh so little about the games actually on the damn thing i was hoping someone with more knowlegde could slap one together. The whole wikia needs lots of these kind of pages fixed up anyway, consoles/platforms with little to no date other than an entry and a smigin of info.
- Should that be a subsection of PC/Windows 8, or a separate page? If you feel you're an expert, this is a wiki so you know what to do. Don't forget to trawl old /v/ threads, or poll /v/ directly for your data. --Mozai (talk) 13:04, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
- Why do we need a page for something that has the same games as everywhere else? Due to the severe overlap (It's just MS porting it's stuff) the page should be like the Ouya page and only list games native to the system. Nothing to list = no page. --Kitsuneae (talk) 21:04, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, i guess you're right... Surface doesn't have any exclusive games i think (halo spartan assault might be one but that's it). Not sure if Surface even counts as a platform. maybe we could extend the android/windows 8 pc games pages to include windows phone/surface playability? oh wait, if we do that we may have to add 'other consoles' for all pages.. Maybe it's best to forget this idea then?
That'd work, windows 8 is a mess isin't?
- Well, a mess is what happens when you decide to have every single product you make running the same OS. Thanks Microsoft. As a side note, make sure you put replies at the very botom of the conversation. It makes things a lot easier to read. Also hit the button next to the "no" button to sign your posts. --Kitsuneae (talk) 00:19, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
Surface is just a device, Windows RT is the platform. And, to everyone's confusion, Surface Pro doesn't use that same platform, it runs regular Windows 8 instead. What the hell was Microsoft thinking? -- LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 22:13, October 23, 2013 (UTC)
It seems a troll has gotten loose and is now editing pages by deleting everything and putting stupid shit like "my dik" and such. Be on you toes.
- Yes, we have had a couple of those lately. The easiest answer is to ignore any posts they make (if they make posts), fix what we can, and hope the admins put a "registered only" lock on the wiki so only registered users can edit/make things. This measure won't stop things 100%, but it prevents one guy from refreshing his IP, using TOR, or proxying to skirt bans or look like multiple people. In short, it makes life easier. --Kitsuneae (talk) 20:52, October 27, 2013 (UTC)
Mass deletions Edit
is going through dozens of pages and deleting everything.
If you're reading this, fuck you asshole.
PLEASE CHANGE THE NAME OF THE SITE.
IT ISN'T /v/'s RECOMMENDED GAMES ANYMORE.
184.108.40.206 23:27, October 27, 2013 (UTC)
A CONCERNED ANON
To Anons about the WikiEdit
- Anon, what would make this /V/'s wiki?
- If you're looking for people from /V/ we already have them. I know I am on /V/, and so is Mozai, Dejiko, Lyric and most the other regular contributors. We're anons there just like everyone else.
- Can the wiki get outdated? Yes. Opinions can change and some games don't age well. This can cause some edit wars, but threadlinks and screencaps clear things up fast. Proof is mostly helpful for removing stuff; people generaly don't complain about new games being added unless the games are clearly shit.
- Can different threads have differing opinions? Yes. Different people are online at different times and have different opinions. This means that if the thread we were in didn't dispute that it's a good game, it will probably end up here even if the thread you were in had someone bitch about it in green text for 30 minutes. Not even /V/ always agrees on everything so some common consensus helps.
- TL:DR: What you see here is made by people from /V/. It won't perfectly match every single thread on /V/ but matching /V/'s every thought perfectly isn't the point. The point is for people from /V/ to collect game reccomendations for fellow gamers. This is why it's called "/V/'s Reccomended Games Wiki".
- Also, we're aware of the stupid link Reddit made to here. The admins of this wiki repeatedly asked for the link to be taken down but Reddit refused. The people from before the link went up are clearly 100% /V/. We haven't gotten new actual posters since the link went up, just a ton of shitposters screaming "reddit" and doing blanking. If anything it sounds to me like all the shitposting comes from reddit, but that's just my ten cents. --Kitsuneae (talk) 00:47, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
- PS: to sign your post it's --~~~~
Purge the site and start fresh, other than that remove any reference to /v/. It is a shame what happened to this site, but theres no way to change the timeline unless you can generate 1.21 niggawatts somehow. - Ip address 220.127.116.11
- You say it's a shame what happened but never said what happened. What makes this not a collection of game suggestions made by people who go on /v/?
- Please bear in mind the truths about the possibility of outdating and that not every thread matches.--Kitsuneae (talk) 01:05, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
- Go make a thread on /v/ and ask them what to do with "their" wiki. - Ip address 18.104.22.168
- We could do that, but it's clear not all of /V/ is the problem so we're asking the people most likely to be causing this (ie: you). We'd like to understand what your problem with this wiki is and why you think this is.
- If it's a problem with games listed, it's easy to fix: go on a talk page, hit /V/, and post screencaps and thread links showing opinions have changed. Vandalism doesn't help the wiki. If you're just bored, go play nethack. If you're just pissed off and want to rage, Go on ED. There's many answers once we know what th problem is. --Kitsuneae (talk) 01:52, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
You really don't get what this wiki is for, do you? See, when someone says: "Recommend me some good games for System XYZ plz kthx", the proper answer is: "These are some good games for System XYZ". Or the easy modo: send him here and he will find a list of good games for System XYZ. The wrong answer is: "No, System XYZ sux, have a list of games for System ABC instead!".DO NOT FUCKING TELL US WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE OR HOW WE WILL RECOMMEND THEM. You really don't get what this wiki is for, do you? -- 22.214.171.124
I respect you Dejiko and I agree with what you said, but what has been said isn't anything new. It's clear that he's vandal as he does not adhere to the proper procedures of deletion, or editing for that matter. The fact that he called me a "faget" alreadypaints him as immature, biased, and one who lacks etiquette.WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU GET THIS "ETIQUETTE FROM? DID YOU MISSPELL REDDIQUETTE? -- 126.96.36.199
Getting down to user specific, I understand leaving them to their devices for a day or two be be sure they're a vandal, but to me it looks like they are [a vandal] . They deleted Skyrim, The Last of Us, and Oblivion - all of these are massively popular games with serious critical acclaim that most people liked.I'm not even going to respond to that, if you don't understand what is wrong with the above you are brain damaged. -- 188.8.131.52
- The point of this wiki is that it's a collection of different lists about different consoles. If someone wants to just ask /V/ they can. It's easy mode for the very lazy and a hobby for the list obsessed.
- The quote was from someone else. Even then, randomly shouting "fagget" and hurling insults is not mature. Since you asked where etiquette on the internet comes from, here's A page about itnernet etiquette.
- So you're doing this because you deleted several games that have been sited as "good" repeatedly and didn't like things being reverted. OK, here's a V thread and a screencap on those games. Consensus? Last of Us is good (for story reasons), Oblivion is good all around and Skyrim has 1 like and 1 dislike. There you have it. --Kitsuneae (talk) 03:15, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
I didn't delete anything, my only activity so far has been on this talk page and that one forum page. I was asking where on /v/ did you find this "etiquette" that you abide by, after all this is /v/'s wiki right? I have been posting your wiki all over /v/ and been getting mostly the same results every time. Every time I have posted your wiki I have been told to kill myself and they greentexted that I was posting the reddit wiki. The damage is done, the wiki's reputation is ruined and the only way to keep it the /v/ wiki would be to purge the site and replace all positions of power with new blood. https://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/215604554/#q215613171 https://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/215598928/#q215604562 https://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/215563786/#q215564415 https://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/215560664/#q215561387 https://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/215559467/#q215559927 https://archive.foolz.us/v/thread/215610124/#q215612160
Now you might not believe me and accuse me of samefagging, but that would defeat the purpose. I didn't make those posts to show you, I made them to bait /v/ and it worked like a charm. It would have been no fun if I was baiting myself, after all half the fun is being as blatant as possible and still getting away with it. That last one is really important, do you see how quick /v/ is to identify anything with a hint of reddit? They even had a collage ready. Really if your positions and contributions mean so much to you then just let your /v/ delusions go, rename the wiki, and /v/ will have no reason to hate you anymore. It would not be a victory for /v/, they already lost the website years ago. /v/ just wants closure, they don't like seeing the raped zombie corpse of one of its former satellites lurching around reminding everybody that /v/ had a hand its its making. The other reason is that its just a fucking embarrassment, you are a hollow shell of what you once were, you sold out to reddit and the casual hordes and /v/ wants nothing more to do with you.
"you sold out to reddit and the casual hordes and /v/ wants nothing more to do with you." When was this again? I don't remember any of us selling shit to or buying shit from reddit. --Dejiko (talk) 05:37, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
Your wiki panders to them you retard, are you only able to understand the literal meanings of phrases?
Okay sure, any time you "users" of the "/v/" wiki encounter an opinion or narrative that runs contrary to your imagined reality you instantly label it. >Skyrim is a popular game, see we made a thread to ask and cropped the first 5 responses. >Anyways it was given high ratings on metacritic and everybody I know likes it, so the editors must be vandals. >I will just ignore that the hyped died 3 days to a week after it came out and then was trashed by /v/ constantly. I will ignore that the only threads about skyrim from that point on were trashing the graphics, or the engine, or were discussing and posting pictures of waifu and sex mods. >Oh no, they are calling us reddit wiki because of a link and infestation, and the games list aligns with casual garbage reddit eats up. >I know! >they are nothing but trolls! >yeah its not us, its /v/!
You guys are a fucking joke, its actually sad because this is all you have, you have some personal investment in the idea that you operate a wiki of good games and that /v/ agrees with you. This thing started as a cream of the crop list of patrician games, the one user in the talk page that was going batshit insane about the content and games they contributed, well good job. What you have done is watered the games list down, you didn't contribute, unless you consider lowering quality standards and introducing casual shit contributing. If you do not want to lose all your precious data (this is not a threat, but there are only 2 options, data purge start from scratch to regain the trust of /v/, or rename to reddit, /vg/ or anything you fucking want, it's your goddamn site not /v/'s you made that very clear today.)you have meticulously added for your own personal use then please stop claiming that the site is full of content from /v/. This is not even a wiki anymore, you locked everything because you don't like /v/'s taste. Its too patrician for you and it hurts your feelings when your favorite popular lowest common denominator games get shit on and removed by /v/. Goodnight, I will not be back.
- "Cream of the crop", you say... but opinions are a very tricky thing. Just one example in each end: P.N.03 had some terrible reviews, but I think it's one of the best action games ever, while Final Fantasy X got stellar scores, and I gave up that piece of shit after a couple dozen hours of wondering when the damn story will start making any fucking sense. What can you do about this kind of thing? --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 07:30, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
You are missing the entire point. This is /v/'s recommended games. We are not frustrated at the least of deletion of games. How the hell can we consider you seriously if you guys come off as trolls? If we just let any /v/irgin edit what he wants then there is going to be a fucking nonstop edit war. If you guys want something deleted then just fucking say so. We have a process of deletion that we've been telling you guys a long time ago which you all seem to ignore completely. I don't give the biggest shits about what you guys delete or not. Battlefield 3? Good! I don't even like the game. Skyrim? I don't care, Morrowind is better anyways. Plants Vs. Zombies 2? Casual shit that I wouldn't mind seeing deleted. What I do care is you guys coming in and doing massive edits of removals without any proof of consensus. What you see as editing we see as a violation of our deletion regulations and thus we have every right to think we are being vandalized. So there aren't two options there are three, "actually contribute something." If you actually MAKE a contribution you will actually be doing this for the betterment of /v/, so that we can finally have a wiki more closer to /v/'s taste. That being said though, I think it's rather ironic you say we are a shell of our former selves. I'm a /v/irgin who regularly posts on /v/ as anonymous, but I've came to the conclusion that /v/ is a shell of it's former self and has been for quite some time. All it is now is a bunch of angry shitposters and morons with only garbage, often non-vidya related, threads. Only ever so often there are actual "mature" intellectuals with good threads in an "ocean" of shit. It's the reason why things like /vg/ and /vr/ have been created, because they are so fucking divisive and irate. Speaking of which, isn't /vg/ and /vr/ an extension of /v/ and thus part of /v/ itself? I don't quite understand how changing it to /vg/ would make it any better considering they're the same people. /vr/ thinks we're a pretty cool wiki and they actually thanked us for the work we have done (to be fair, it was mainly because of obscure gems) and they're the most mature people I've ever met on 4chan, and they're from /v/.
Bottom line. Contribute to make /v/'s recommended games a great wiki, instead of being the cancer that's trying to kill it, which is an alternative doomed to failure.
>Goodnight, I will not be back.
That's fine. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. You will most certainly not be missed.
How To Be /v/ Edit
Very fucking relevant: "No True Scotsman"
But the petty little namecaller has brought up a good point: even though we haven't sold out to [choose one: reddit, 9gag, SA, YouTube, Ubisoft, other], how do we prove that the recommendations come from /v/ and not just being pulled out of someone's ass? Even if we shut out this wiki so only people who are coming from /v/ can get here: /v/ isn't a hivemind, it's an unruly mob, and wiki writers are single voices in that mob. One single voice might say "Skyrim is grate" and another single voice will say "no you faggit" and how can we tell if there's a majority who like game X ? What happens in a 50/50 split, and we get bipartisan fights breaking out like the dog's breakfast that is American politics with Demokrims and Skypublicans ? Maybe we can't, and we must accept that /v/ is as cancerous as other boards claim, and the idea of a persistent "recommendations sticky" is a pipe dream. (this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things.jpg) I'm not willing to give up yet, but I don't know of a solution. --Mozai (talk) 14:34, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
- Does it really matter? I think the wiki was doing pretty fine until the vandals showed up. Maybe it evolved into something that's not purely /v/, but actually better, something useful to other chans and forums. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 19:03, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
- "something not purely /v/, but actually better"
- Then the wiki's stated mission has changed. If so, we shouldn't call this wiki "recommendations from /v/", but use a new branding. OR, we find a way to make sure we adhere to the original purpose of this wiki. I don't feel we've lost our way as much as the "burn it all down" saboteurs, but I worry there is still a molehill under their mountain. --Mozai (talk) 19:37, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, here's how I slice it.
- * We are from /V/
- * This is a list of reccomended games
- * Wiki is serving it's purpose
- If anything we could really use to update the frontpage so it doesn't sound like it's literally every post from /v/ collected or something crazy like that. Maybe something like "This wiki is a collection of reccomended games started by people who frequent /V/. It won't perfectly match every single thread on /V/ but matching /V/'s every thought perfectly isn't the point. The point is for gamers to collect useful game reccomendations for fellow gamers." --Kitsuneae (talk) 08:00, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
- History vanishes when a page/article is deleted. Isn't Ouya just Android in quirky hardware, anyways? --Mozai (talk) 04:21, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
The Ouya is essentially Android in console format so recommending games on Android devices would be recommending games on Ouya and vice-versa (with an exception of a few). In all honesty, while I don't really like the fact that the Ouya page was deleted, despite it being a mediocre console, it would just make sense to link people to the Android page for those who do have the Ouya. Haipayazoo (talk) 04:38, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
- The Ouya is its own platform, with its own software market. It's like the Neo Geo and the Neo Geo CD: technically nearly the same, but separate platforms. So it must get its own page. Also, I don't have one, but I've seen some positive comments from people who actually have it. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 07:31, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
You make a good point. There are shitty consoles like the 3DO, Sega CD, and Sega Saturn (as a commercial failure), but we still recommend games for them. Why should we stop now on Ouya just because a couple of assholes think differenrly? It is /v/'s recommended "GAMES" after all. Haipayazoo (talk) 07:35, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
- Seconded. Ouya as a platform blows, but there are some games worthy of mentioning for the people who actually own one. The page needs to exist. --Kitsuneae (talk) 08:02, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
- When a page is deleted by an admin it's wiped. It will need to be remade from scratch. Yes, it sucks. It always sucks when someone decides to give into trolls. I also tried the wayback machine - all wiki pages are blank due to archival errors. --Kitsuneae (talk) 04:31, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
Finding a better solution for all Edit
I've been noticing our wiki has been recently been posted on a number of threads lately, mostly /vr/, and some have been "ok" with the wiki while others think we're still Redditors in disguise. One of the anons mentioned a purge. It's not a horrible idea than it sounds. We could have a back up of the pages and then start a fresh. We can recommend the more obvious ones and the great gems and leave the rest to other /v/irgins and what not.
Maybe it is best to have a more open approach to editing the wiki. I've been undoing edits of people who have been deleting stuff for no valid reason, but I think perhaps it is for the best. Maybe we should just leave it up to their own devices and see if that gets them anywhere. If not, we need to have better inclusion/deletion regulations instead.
One anon mentions, perhaps we should strictly have it for obscure gems only. This would eliminate some of the most popular well known mainstream games every person already knows, since most of /v/'s hate is targeted towards anything mainstream.
- People who hate anything mainstream for being mainstream... shit, are we going to cater to the hipsters of gaming? Fuck, no. Those people ARE the problem. The solution is to kick them out of here, not destroy the good source of information that this wiki is now. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 07:25, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
Not so much hipsters, but just people who feel that recommending games that goes without saying (i.e. Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy) are not necessary. The problem with that is that popularity is relative as most people don't know some games that a lot of people consider well known like Planescape, Earthbound, or Suikoden. Where will it end? Like I said. The purge isn't as horrible as it sounds, but it's still isn't a great idea. Haipayazoo (talk) 07:39, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
- I think you two are both wrong and your ideas are fucking retarded. Leaving this place to its own devices did not work and we already tried that, since it just leads to constant editwars, shit-editing (this has become a thing and that's sad), and senseless labeling thus spawning further flaming about. A purge is a shitty idea because it's stupid to tear everything down then waste time making it just like we did before. On top of that, since a decent number of contributors can't format worth a shit, myself included, that's also more reason not to do it. Making the wikia solely mainstream games OR obscure games isn't the right way either, since it's sometimes difficult for somethings to be considered "obscure" or "mainstream" and why wouldn't you recommend a good game regardless of popularity or obscurity. If need be, make a thread about it, possibly linking youtube vids if its obscure, and see if anybody thinks it seems worth a damn, especially after playing it. Hell, just be on the look out for threads, even those in /vg/ and /vr/, since it's not always needed to make them. Someone made a 20+ reply thread about Evolution 1+2/Evolution worlds, discussing characters, mechanics, aspects of one game against another, etc. in a reasonable, thought-out manner. I didn't make it, but I was happy as fuck to see it, because 1) I love Evolution and 2) It lets me know that "hey, this game may not be super well-known but there's quite a few people who at least played it and got into it". meaning it wasn't a bad choice to submit it here to recommend it. Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't people who don't like it or even hate it, but they don't have to play it either. At the same time though, we have other people who also think that Bioshock: Infinite was good and that Halo 4 was also good. However, the additions of these to the wiki were met with almost unanimous negativity, but also with mostly-solid reasons given. I don't know much about both of them nor have I played either, but what I've understood from threads and discussion on is that they weren't worthy successors and shouldn't be recommended, despite what some of their die-hard fans or paid-off "professional" critics and/or reviewers might say. It really is an issue that cannot be solved by much discussion and analysis. I mean hell, there's games I like that I wouldn't recommend to people. Regarding system/console/version/etc. differences as well, that's something else to consider. Even for retro games it's a thing. Example: I'd consider the original Ys3 a solid game, but there's no way in hell I'd recommend the SNES or NES versions. Even for the TGCD version, despite it's rearranged music, I feel like its half-assed parallax scrolling is just gross to look at. And yet, there's people who would spit in my face and say that any version of Ys3 sucks and that Felghana is the ONLY way to go. Regarding a situation like that, I think it's necessary to consider them within potential mind-sets of their times. I think Felghana is "great" and an excellent remake, but I still feel like Ys3 is solid for its era, and while it may not hold a candle to Felghana, is still overall enjoyable as a "good" game.
- I'll touch on this later. I'm falling asleep. --Dejiko (talk) 09:11, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
- Back to what I was saying. In terms of objective analysis versus opinionated favoritism, I think at best, most people are going to go for a sort of happy medium between the two. It IS difficult to find a sort of "happy medium" here, because that medium is in a different place for everybody. For example: Let's use something like Tales of Phantasia. I'd say it's got a "decent" story, but others might feel it's either "shitty" or "good" or hell, even the best/worst thing they've ever read. In terms of gameplay, mechanics, balance, and other aspects though, one needs to try to be more objective and analytical. For something like ToP, we already know it's not an action-centric game like Devil May Cry 3, despite having numerous attack skills and combos. It's not an RTS, so AI isn't going to be at the top of its game either. However, despite trying to compare it to those, does it manage to be a game worth recommendation in its own merit? One person alone can't properly decide that here. As a result, it is necessary to gather or at least observe the input of others (in this case /v/, or at least its g and r equivalents). Another big factor is time/system limitations as well, along with what developers were capable of doing with them. If one were to compare two side-scrolling platformers like Pac-Land (1984) versus Super Mario Bros. (1985), it's a huge difference in terms of level design, proper-feeling controls, length, etc. Yeah, Pac-Land came out first, but you pretty much won't see it recommended anywhere. Objectively speaking, it's not a BAD game, but most people would argue that it's not really worth playing outside of curiosity's sake. Meanwhile, you have SMB and that's pretty much a unanimously agreed upon recommendation, for obvious reasons. Even years later, well after Super Mario Bros. 3, you still see people recommend it. It's agreed upon that SMB3 pretty much kicks the shit out of SMB1, but at the same time, that didn't stop it from continuing to be recommended either, primarily because it stands up well against other games, but more specifically it's considered by many to be a well-done game within its own merits. You could do this with different series such as MegaMan or King of Fighters, and people would vehemently defend their favorite entries, even if a later game was said to be better. The same applies for various entries within genres themselves (as noted before) and also those released in the same year. Again, it's not easy. I mean, yeah, there were a bunch of people who considered Skyrim good or great, but also many who considered it a crock of shit. Some might have considered it their game of the year, but that doesn't really mean shit if the competition was awful to begin with. To be more specific on a GOTY/yearly end though, it also depends on what else somebody played as well. If they only played 3 games and Skyrim was what they considered the best out of that lot, then yeah, that's a "real fucking great" choice. If somebody played 20 different games of various genres and styles, and is a fairly alright judge amongst any genre, and they still also Skyrim their GOTY, then maybe they have more of a fair say about it, but at the same time, this is definitely where analysis comes into play, assuming it hasn't already. From an analytical perspective, Skyrim doesn't really stand up to its predecessors, and even if somebody has adamant opinions about it being good, it comes into question whether or not they actually looked at it with an analytical eye. Have they even played the other Elder Scrolls games? Have they even played other RPGs? These are things about someone that we cannot know at all without either asking or them telling. In the end, what I would like to suggest is: just because a game isn't up here, doesn't mean you can't like it; but, it doesn't mean you should put it up to rec either. On the flipside, just because it is up here, doesn't mean you have to like it, either; but, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken down either. Above all that though, The most important thing we need to make this place work is consensus. One person alone liking and one person alone hating something just leads to edit-wars. One person alone throwing something up or stripping it down lacks sturdy justification. If we need to show proof, use archived threads. "One" is not going to make anything work in this situation, nor will just any low number. On top of that, you can't properly analyze if you're just trolling and flaming all the time. That's fine if it's on /v/ or whatever else, but in this place it won't lead to anything but problems. We don't have to agree on everything, but we cannot judge with solely on one point-of-view. --Dejiko (talk) 21:29, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with you that objective analysis should play as a key factor on what games to include on the wiki, but that is something I strongly believe that /v/ is incapable of doing, or rather they strongly favor favoritism above all else. That what is attracting all these highly-opinionated users. They believe themselves to be representatives of /v/, so they take it upon themselves to edit whatever they please without any proper consensus. That is the conundrum of /v/. They are very divisive on their own interests, even when both sides hold any validity in their respective arguments. Things might get stagnant around here if we take an approach that takes to much time to gather any major conformity, especially when it comes to obscure gems (which I'm hoping to tackle next on the wiki). That being said though, it beats having one person shoving any biased notions onto the pages for the sake of self-righteousness. Haipayazoo (talk) 22:33, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
The trick is to find a way to poll the group (the mob? the riot?) while not viewing it through our lenses of personal taste. There's a trick in being an editor/moderator: how not to fall into the pit of "I like it, thus everyone else should like it too." There is no objectively "good" game, only what a specific audience enjoys. The only objectively bad games are the ones that crash and are thus unplayable -- even glitchtastic games aren't objectively bad, since some are hilarious to play like that Polish STALKER-alike. There are people, even people on /v/, who like playing Atari 2600's "E.T." and that game is literally landfill. This wiki's specific audience is the mongolian clusterfuck that is /v/. The riddle to solve is: how do we discover what /v/ enjoys? --Mozai (talk) 14:20, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
After a good night's sleep and thinking about it a bit more, those were some retarded ideas. Some of these ideas are from Anons that I picked up from threads that I'm just throwing out on the table in hopes that it would either be torn apart or given some thought. I don't want there to be a purge. Why should we just wipe away all everyone's hard work and work our asses off again just to please a couple anons? I've already explained why the obscure gems only plan was a bad idea. The sad truth is that they will never be pleased and there will always be someone who will take issue with the wiki. We can't satisfy everyone, let alone an enigmatic group that is /v/. One person, or a select minority, from /v/ could post an entry of a game that they like and give valid reasons why they think so, while the majority of /v/ hates it, even if they have valid reasons to think contrary. It's a riddle without an answer. If we post a game that even /v/ is divisive on, which is almost always, then what does that say for the entry of the game? Should we delete the entry if the ratio of like-to-dislike falls in favor with people who hate it? They never actually stated what the main problem our wiki has anyways. The only issues they mention are:
- A) We've been under the influence by Reddit. Which is bullshit, except for that fucking link they Reddit refuses to pull down from their website.
- B) A "couple" of entries that they take offense to that they blow out of proportion.
I guess from what I was thinking that we should find a solution that can satisfy them, but why do anything drastic just to please a select few (or rather the few that actually said anything)? This shouldn't be the site of "games that /v/ unanimously agrees upon" because that's impossible, and even if it was we'd be cutting years worth of work from a number of anons. I think the philosophy of just recommending games works, since it's what some of the people on /v/ personally recommend to others. I'm not saying we should have bad recommendations on this list either. There are just games that just need to be off the list so that no person should subject themselves to it, but there are going to be games that most of /v/ will not agree with that the rest think are actually worth playing. Perhaps there is no visible solution and what we've been doing thus far is the only acceptable approach. At least /vr/ thinks we're pretty cool guys, and that's honestly good enough for me. Haipayazoo (talk) 20:10, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
Remove the BronyEdit
Just remove the bronyfag seriously guys. I literally would not spam ever again if you just made the brony dude leave. He is like 99% of what's wrong with this wiki - he is Reddit incarnate. "Keep the ouya because muh games muh serious wiki muh reddit friends" -Lyricafag --Contributions/184.108.40.206
No dude. It's Recommended games. Does anybody recommend the ouya? Ever? No, thought not. Does anybody recommend Android? Who gives a shit take it to /g/ not /v/. I hope you guys will agree with me and block the bronyfag redditor from having anything more to do with this wiki and we can salvage what's left of the shit mess he's made of it -- 220.127.116.11
btw idk if it's me you think is using proxies or some shit but I'm not. if it's not me then it just shows how unpopular this place is! --18.104.22.168
Because vandalizing our wiki, which can be quickly undone, is REALLY gonna make us listen to you.
>It's Recommended games
We recommend games FOR the Ouya. We don't RECOMMEND the Ouya itself. The Ouya is a failure of a console in just about every way, but that's not the point. The page is to recommend games for the people who were unfortunate enough to get one. It's why we have pages on the 3DO, Sega CD, etc. since while they are inherently shitty consoles, there are games you can still play on them. Sorry that we don't cater to your needs.
Honestly, I kind give up on this wiki, sometimes people are too harsh on their edits and deletions. I mean yeah opinions but whatever. I cant even edit pages like PS3 anymore, when it used to be that only members could edit. Random people come in to make funneh meemee jokes. for example: "ECKSDEE PS3 NO GAMS TREE SIXTY TURN ROUND, WOAH MAC GAY PC MASUTR RACE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD LELELELE." Seriously, I know it was funny for like 2006 or something and all hurhurhur, but sorry, if you want to make the fanny maymay jokes, make them on your own wiki, shit here is about games. (Cloudman15 (talk) 20:37, October 29, 2013 (UTC))
If terms mean you think I am said Vandal, no I'm not. I don't see any reason to vandalize nor would I ever because I see this place as a holy archive of good shit or whatever, and I don't see any reason to muck it up by deleting a bunch of game pages out of spite, iregardless if the system sucks or if its not important, there must be a page concerning it due to the chance there might be good games out for it, (Ouya) we cover this shit for a reason, the games. But im indifferent to this topic because im not of good judgement for debates. (Cloudman15 (talk) 18:58, October 30, 2013 (UTC))
As for the Ouya, I partially agree with Haipa, but I also deleted it in the first place, partially because it only had a few games which damn near anybody could play via superior means, hadn't been edited much, and is literally just a fancy sort of extension of the android, much in the same way that surface tablet shit is for Windows 8 and we wouldn't necessarily make a separate page for that as far as I know. And he can go fuck himself, because the Sega CD and 3DO weren't shitty. However, I still appreciate his efforts in maintaining and adding stuff to the wiki. Different fucking strokes.
"I literally would not spam ever again if you just made the brony dude leave." Yeah, that's a crock of lies right there and you know it. Even if you spin your reply as something like "bawww see you guys never listen to anybody" why the fuck should I or anybody here care what you have to say after spamming and shitting things up? You're anonymous, just barely different from me, save for people can call me Matt now thanks to my fucking twitter and steam (not like I give that big a shit). This goes out to any of the spammers and anonymous posters. Nobody knows who I am or what I do. Same with you. The only difference between us that matters is our edit history. While any of you have shit things up (regardless of a different IP or not), there are people who actually bothered to contribute to this place. People who actually made their first-day-debuts to actually contribute something of worth, instead of some self-declared anarchic "crusade" for self-righteous reasons. Those people mean more to me than any of the spammers and vandals ever will for those reasons alone. Honestly speaking, I don't even care about anything past that, so long as you don't shit up the wiki with stuff that's irrelevant. Lyric's a ponyfag? Well, good for him, I guess. I didn't even know until somebody brought it up, because I don't give a damn. He hasn't made this place MLP-themed, or scattered about MLP stuff in pages, so I don't give a shit what he likes in his own time as long as he doesn't start tossing it about here. He's done a decent job with editing and contributing for the most part, and that's what really matters here. I'm fucking pissed with him about taking down the NES screenshots much to NESfag's and my own annoyance, but for the most part, he's done decently. Let me say this: while wikia may care, I personally don't give a fuck if you're a pokefag, normalfag, furfag, hipster, cross-dresser, NTR-lover, fashionista, /m/echa fetishist, like transforming, listen to pop music, get rock-hard from S&M, or whatever the fuck you do in your spare time. Just contribute actual video game stuff worth an actual fuck, and don't bring up your personal life here, because this isn't the goddamn place for that. We're all just nobodies on the internet and this wiki, and it needs to stay that way. I'm sure a number of both the spammers and anonymous contributors are into all sorts of fetishes and kinky stuff, but that's their own problems, not the wiki's, not mine, and, all things considered, not anybody else's either.
Lyric does need to work on his short fuse though. It ain't helping his situation. --Dejiko (talk) 22:08, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
- Argh, stupid name... my name was "Stormwatch" in LyricWiki, and it got changed automatically when they merged into Wikia and the name wasn't available. And about the NES screenshots, the point was making the pages lighter. Mind you, I made the suggestion and waited for THREE MONTHS, and no one said a thing! --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 22:18, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
Calm down, Lyric. I've only recently came alive back into this wiki and would have gladly told you NOT to do that. Removing something is not the same as adding something. You are removing someone's hard work when you're doing that, making NESfag's time completely wasted.
No response != Approval.
As for Dejiko. I meant to say Phillips CD-i instead of 3DO, even though I still don't particularly prefer the 3DO either. The Sega-CD was a bit of a hyperbole. How can I live without playing Snatcher, Vay, Rise of the Dragon, Lunar series, Popful Mail, Flashback, Shining Force, and YES, even Night Trap? It only sprang to mind from the experiences I had with it, due to its price during its time, freezing, awful load times, and sometimes the CD would just not read. If you emulate it it's a fine damn system with many good games, but strictly during its time, its was a difficult piece of hardware to like, or least it was for me.
Back on point, /v/ is near synonymous with anonymity exception of a few (us). The only page that comes close to fetishes is the hentai page, although that's pure conjecture on my part considering I stay away from that page. Everything else is about video games that is actually worth playing that has been contributed by anonymous people, including us. That's all I have to say for now. Haipayazoo (talk) 23:06, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
Solution to Shitty Vidya ProblemEdit
Why don't you just put a straw poll link in the description of each "shitty" game and check it a month later to see the results, and if the majority wants it gone, delete it? Simple. If nobody bothers to vote on anything then clearly they aren't using the wiki to begin with. Hypoxium (talk) 03:41, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
That's not a bad idea, but it would need some changing around. Technically speaking, should be keep this as "/v/'s wiki" (versus changing it up), then polls would best be done in threads, perhaps with multiple polls at a time per OP post. If we keep them here, then the issue lies in with other sites' input as well, which is technically an issue if it is, if only primarily, "/v/'s wiki". Strawpoll seems simple enough to run. I'll definitely put some effort into it after I'm done with my initial run of threads. --Dejiko (talk) 07:14, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
I agree, polls are fine. Maybe just do them once a year or so to keep the lists current? Honestly, I think we're doing fine on the game lists in general. We had no complaints until that stupid reddit link. --Kitsuneae (talk) 07:55, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
Removing the RedditorEdit
So we're all agreed then? Lyrical Stormfag is going to be blocked from editing the wiki? Sounds good to me. Just let me know when he's been removed :) Also top lol @ debating anonymity and especially on /v/. Who even remembers nigba anymore.....................................................................
oh also I would stop spamming, I just can't take some angry af brony (yurotrash? he acts like one anyway) shitting up the /v/ wiki. i know it's a lost cause and foreverial the reddit wiki, but just knowing he lost his stranglehold would change everything... *glances wistfully into the sunset, eyes tearing up* -- 22.214.171.124
- The next schoolyard bully could be SA goons, or le 9gag army, threatening to do the same unless we abide by their wishes. Bad idea. --Mozai (talk) 02:37, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
So I noticed that this wiki has a problem with genres. Can we please decide on the genres on stick with them? For example the PS3 and Xbox 360 both use jRPG and wRPG (which aren't even actual genres) where as the other sections sections don't. Mozendo (talk) 08:46, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
Also not sure if this happens in other sections, but what's the point of putting 'fan-genres' like metroidvania if we're not going to apply them to all the games that fit the description (example: GBA section. CastleVania listed as Metroidvania, but the Metroid titles are not. )
- I think "metroidvania" is just a nickname for action-adventure, a subgenre of platformer. --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 20:22, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
We do have a page for defining video game genres, but I expect people wouldn't bother reading it before describing such-and-such game as being a 'romance platformer' or 'first-person text adventure'. If you see an jarring mis-label of a game's genre, fix it. --Mozai (talk) 23:17, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
Article renaming Edit
So, how about this idea: renaming the articles to include the systems' full names, including maker. For example: instead of simply "Xbox 360", it would be "Microsoft Xbox 360". How does it sound? --LYRIC-Stormwatch (talk) 23:47, November 6, 2013 (UTC)
- What's the problem you're trying to solve? How would the games list for a "Microsoft Xbox360" be different from the games list for a "Coleco Xbox360" or a "Lenovo Xbox360" ? If you truly feel that someone is going to type the manufacturer name and model name into the address bar, and be inconsolable when they don't find an article, you can make redirect articles to guide them. --Mozai (talk) 23:12, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
Just rename it to shitbox 360 because it's shit and dead.
Did your friend also suggest you remove the screenshots from the NES page? Either way, tell your friend that they are an idiot. Also, as for actually having the companies listed, that's on the front page. Mozai brings up a good point. there's no actual problem and making some redirects is pointless because nobody's going to search for them like that except for people who are picky as hell (in which case, they probably wouldn't use this place anyways, and prefer threads or IGN's top 10 durr games of the hurr or any other commonplace lists). As for formality, there's definitely some sense of structure, along with a few rules to be upheld here, but if you think this place has a need for such frivolous trivialities, you're in the wrong wiki and so is your friend, apparently. --Dejiko (talk) 02:57, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
Super Nintendo/Super Famicom Lifespan ErrorEdit
As I mentioned in the Super Nintendo talk page, the date range for the lifespan of the SNES/Super Famicom is incorrect.
The last officially licensed Super Nintendo/Super Famicom game worldwide was in November 2000. I recommend it be updated.
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